From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 04:02:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAD91065670 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 04:02:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6748FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 04:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q973qIIc098547 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 05:52:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <5070FBBF.70504@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 05:49:19 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120901 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Virtualbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 04:02:18 -0000 Hello list! When I try to start a virtual os in virtualbox i get an error. kldload vboxdrv.ko kldload: can't load vboxdrv.ko: Exec format error Rebuilt VB and still this error 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Thu Jan 12 15:13:06 CET 2012 GENERIC amd64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 04:38:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F0B1065672 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 04:38:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7649E8FC17 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 04:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id wc20so3787503obb.13 for ; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 21:38:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Q1q81Z9w0etlCJyx66XK5YrHQG/x+QnmbV/5/RtXxl8=; b=rF1YRRvkpvsttsqqirYvpL+f5+af0yY0iY46ToBB31l03x8P4MSZ+tti7i+iOvWq6R mK4wW6UwY/OHPvhGmjvv1icaPBLkdvi+thR/kk2abO2BygaZf22bTQgcEcAymQtmpIi2 ppIh2BXnk2ul9sRakTbjKHfiX859iTNO/Ef/soDczoj2LmU0IhyOWmiynYi71nvbeCQn we5xyCEwOzHDLAsCTKeTxBGRLwgTV5UtEe/F+saZ5kHi2akRLt4NnXtuZpljbsPX1hCw YUDzMr9wXiyYCEW/fho7fsG7S8MiXbrwN8r8H24qVxKLxM3FAN7BMVN/x3VGyD7+uGsw Ceqw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.42.6 with SMTP id j6mr10326215obl.93.1349584686244; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 21:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.12.202 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:38:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5070FBBF.70504@bananmonarki.se> References: <5070FBBF.70504@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 23:38:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Bernt Hansson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtualbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 04:38:07 -0000 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > When I try to start a virtual os in virtualbox i get an error. > > kldload vboxdrv.ko > kldload: can't load vboxdrv.ko: Exec format error > > Rebuilt VB and still this error > > 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Thu Jan 12 15:13:06 CET 2012 > GENERIC amd64 > Update your kernel sources to match the installed. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 05:12:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DBA106566B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 05:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E352E8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 05:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TKj9p-00049Q-C9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:12:05 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:12:05 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:12:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 05:11:50 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 5 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/15.0.1) Subject: compile/install Libreoffice Writer only X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 05:12:09 -0000 Hi, is there a way to do that right now in ports (config, make options) ? Or would that require separate source packaging per component ? jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 07:03:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4A3106564A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 07:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jau@iki.fi) Received: from jau.iki.fi (ip193-64-26-117.cust.eunet.fi [193.64.26.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D58F8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 07:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.131] (sleipnir.thunderbolt.fi [192.168.1.131]) by jau.iki.fi (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9773MLc026892 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:03:23 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jau@iki.fi) Message-ID: <50712935.20900@iki.fi> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:03:17 +0300 From: "Jukka A. Ukkonen" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120912 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (jau.iki.fi [192.168.1.42]); Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:03:23 +0300 (EEST) Cc: Subject: FreeBSD & SCSI LUN reservation (essentially an exclusive lock) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:03:33 -0000 Hello all, Is there any way for a process in user space to try to trigger a SCSI LUN reservation in FreeBSD? This would be a very useful thing to have when using a multi-port storage device which can be simultaneously connected to multiple systems. --jau From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 07:17:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC3A106566B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 07:17:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alwindoss84@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FA48FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 07:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id fw7so4337166vcb.13 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:17:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XSAtQj6buM7qZSsMWOWru+efaCKWOBFTc6RBoA+PWaI=; b=pSt0/DCXlD3TPskIZOvrT/xmwYuj0XUozuoYEU2ozKIJdQ6WJ9xP1uS/P4JJo8yA/u 53uZHSQT2Hk1+5ikhoV6Tbs53j0797krt3B/NeAkcqUy+BW1fMW19id1jt1idnfHS618 pZOk/GhBkOYf71jemcCDbPxQhmCg/aAg5yNYVfJFP/82Z2rDc+XV7E61z0BDD0BQYqg1 3uNleYSiXejQn0Y8pFTeWeBin8HX2gtFgFNpLbiRmx7am/OS0sPnYLSfFYrJAhV0VWzH mgK5XVoYC1dEY+qzBmg9xtQNedWYoO7N7gY3jMznNlpxsc4NumQlQ8Z3ZvBSPU+k+GZS i8Dg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.172.167 with SMTP id bd7mr8194993vec.15.1349594246502; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.216.4 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 00:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:47:26 +0530 Message-ID: From: alwin doss To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: New User to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:17:27 -0000 Hi, Let me be honest at the outset, I have never used an operating system other than linux with enthusiasm. But something about Linux always troubled me "It's licensing", "such complex family of distributions which are so different from each other". Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the installation process is really hard, I must say. I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. Added to the above interests of mine, I am a C++ and java developer. I want to use this talent that God's has blessed me with in this community. I want to begin with FreeBSD's very own GUI. Not depending on anyone (Gnome, KDE or....) I want it to be soooooo good that a commoner shoule be able to work with it with ease and feel safe and secure. So if someone could guide me about how to get started with contributing to FreeBSD it would be great. Please do reach out to me for more details if you need that is!!! Send me links that will get me started with FreeBSD I am all excited for this new journey to begin. -- Alwin Doss God's Beloved From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 07:38:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDCE106566B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 07:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE428FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 07:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x43so2438042wey.13 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:38:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6lNkpVld+DQymWR/rLJy2cRB98qO85Agkua2NCRUeE4=; b=M0w8+Xf+lbQgFzOHaSie1Kfgyaxi3OQUPoTp5ccmj9kaVRgA7mtfH11darNRoOfPNZ Ryxtc+SkBuVaY7sCT98euIhDShZ7PvgZPmAL+F6c5DKolFnvdRIFF2fJ9zXFP3hRsDaD 5o9Ao+LzVLGuLQS7SuPA3Ayn6Lv6FIqRxzNK6sOpXQNQP8X6PBIGpGk5nEL0ANCbpPQv 2EISTYOcM6ikw2UdGVvfqlAjg2MwaGqnbBAr2Z0PN33XCqDm/Sqp1WePWDJvqv52Y9IE ROw3BNhbhw7UMcfO7iGKe1/bKJCnb1veyUhmIWBd8oC2+LQaiGIDYvT4s9uTjLX2qzdu E8ag== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.206.152 with SMTP id l24mr7466066weo.66.1349595510375; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.156.14 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 00:38:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 00:38:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: alwin doss Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New User to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:38:37 -0000 On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:17 AM, alwin doss wrote: > Hi, > > Let me be honest at the outset, I have never used an operating system other > than linux with enthusiasm. > But something about Linux always troubled me "It's licensing", "such > complex family of distributions which are so different from each other". > > Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have > never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the > installation process is really hard, I must say. > I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. > Added to the above interests of mine, I am a C++ and java developer. I want > to use this talent that God's has blessed me with in this community. > > I want to begin with FreeBSD's very own GUI. Not depending on anyone > (Gnome, KDE or....) I want it to be soooooo good that a commoner shoule be > able to work with it with ease and feel safe and secure. > > So if someone could guide me about how to get started with contributing to > FreeBSD it would be great. Please do reach out to me for more details if > you need that is!!! > Send me links that will get me started with FreeBSD I am all excited for > this new journey to begin. > > > -- > Alwin Doss > God's Beloved > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Take a look at PC-BSD http://www.pcbsd.org/ Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 08:09:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE6E106566C for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:09:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59168FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9789EM6007248 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 09:09:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q9789DnP007247 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 09:09:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 09:09:13 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20121007080913.GB7105@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <99771.1349515504@tristatelogic.com> <20121006094552.GA39590@kontrol.kode5.net> <20121006113107.GA29404@saltmine.radix.net> <20121006113200.GB29404@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20121006113200.GB29404@saltmine.radix.net> x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 x-pgp-key: 1D31DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at kontrol.kode5.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Xterm options for correct man page display? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 08:09:17 -0000 [ Thomas Dickey wrote on Sat 6.Oct'12 at 7:32:00 -0400 ] > On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 07:31:07AM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:45:52AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > > > [ Ronald F. Guilmette wrote on Sat 6.Oct'12 at 2:25:04 -0700 ] > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > When I view man pages in a xterm window, some parts of them are com= ing > > > > out a bit garbled. > > > >=20 > > > > I'm sure that there must be some recommended option or options for > > > > xterm that will cause man pages to display properly. If someone wo= uld > > > > tell me what those options are, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > >=20 > > > It will most likely be due to your locale settings. Also, I experimen= ted with fonts in xterm and uxterm, only the default font allowed unicode c= haraters to display, so I am now using urxvt and it works great. I also cha= nged my pager option in the shell start up file to less as opposed to more,= and set lesscharset environment variable, man pages display fine now for m= e. > >=20 > > For people using UTF-8, the uxterm script works out of the box... > >=20 > > The usual problem with fonts is from overwriting the utf8Fonts resource > > setting via a too-wide "fonts" wildcard pattern. >=20 > For example >=20 > http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#utf8_fonts Hi Thomas - is understand what your saying about uxterm - it does display u= tf8 fonts correctly when leaving the font resource alone, but the default f= ont is very small, too small for my eyes.=20 I installed a large number of utf8 supported X fonts, the ones I've tried d= on't display Chinese or Korean, or Russian fonts etc. It became a little fr= ustrating which made me change to another terminal. The link you provided d= oesn't appear to be active. Would you be kind enough to show the resource s= ettings you have used? I spent a long time reading through the man page and trying out different r= esource settings and combinations of them, European fonts were never a prob= lem, just the east Asian characters and Russian characters as I mentioned. I've set my locale to en_GB.UTF-8 using /etc/login.conf and then cap_mkdb /= etc/login.conf. As I said in my previous email, urxvt has no problem displa= ying these characters but I'd like to get uxterm working properly none the = less, as I'm sure the OP does as well. Best wishes, Jamie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 08:12:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB561065670 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:12:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5AD8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q978CK0H061481; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 09:12:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q978CK0H061481 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q978CK0H061481; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Received: (from matthew@localhost) by lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q978CJas061480; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 09:12:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 09:12:19 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman To: alwin doss Message-ID: <20121007081219.GA60815@smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New User to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 08:12:26 -0000 --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 12:47:26PM +0530, alwin doss wrote: > Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I ha= ve > never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the > installation process is really hard, I must say. > I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. Have you tried PC-BSD? It is effectively a 'distro' of FreeBSD, but aimed very much at desktop users. The installation process has been extensively modified, and should be much more accessible to new users. Also, laptops can be difficult to install FreeBSD on -- they tend to have non-standard versions of many of the typical components. Try looking up your hardware here: http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ to see what tricks and tweaks may be needed. If you'ld like to contribute towards FreeBSD, you will be more that welcome. The easiest and simplest way to start is to become an active participant on the various mailing lists or the FreeBSD forums. Then, as you become familiar with the system, find and characterise any bugs you run into, and submit well-formed problem reports, for any of the ports, docs or the base system. "Well-formed" in the sense that just saying "foo is broken" doesn't really help: it is much better to show output from foo illustrating the brokenness and explain what you'ld expect to see specifically. Even better is if you can include patches to fix the problem. Don't be disenheartened if your patches get quite rigourously critiqued -- that's a good sign: it usually means that committers are taking your ideas seriously but want you to improve the implementation before it can be committed. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlBxOWMACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxpKwCfTrRxIfdjsK4TwW8WxZXB23CE mwQAnRC8gWX4dPE8Qt5h9ZmHnoVh1LHG =xd/I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 08:17:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387731065672 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:17:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785FD8FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q978HZBk007294 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 09:17:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q978HZgs007293 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 09:17:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 09:17:35 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20121007081735.GC7105@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 x-pgp-key: 1D31DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at kontrol.kode5.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: New User to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 08:17:41 -0000 [ Waitman Gobble wrote on Sun 7.Oct'12 at 0:38:30 -0700 ] > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:17 AM, alwin doss wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Let me be honest at the outset, I have never used an operating system other > > than linux with enthusiasm. > > But something about Linux always troubled me "It's licensing", "such > > complex family of distributions which are so different from each other". > > > > Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have > > never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the > > installation process is really hard, I must say. > > I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. > > Added to the above interests of mine, I am a C++ and java developer. I want > > to use this talent that God's has blessed me with in this community. > > > > I want to begin with FreeBSD's very own GUI. Not depending on anyone > > (Gnome, KDE or....) I want it to be soooooo good that a commoner shoule be > > able to work with it with ease and feel safe and secure. > > > > So if someone could guide me about how to get started with contributing to > > FreeBSD it would be great. Please do reach out to me for more details if > > you need that is!!! > > Send me links that will get me started with FreeBSD I am all excited for > > this new journey to begin. > > > > > > -- > > Alwin Doss > > God's Beloved > Take a look at PC-BSD > http://www.pcbsd.org/ > Waitman Gobble Yes i think you might benefit initially from installing PC-BSD. It IS FreeBSD, but the creators have put a great deal of effort and hard work into making it easier to install and to provide an X environment that is already set up and configured for you to use. If you were to install FreeBSD there are a lot of configuration changes to be made and software to install to get the set-up I believe you're looking for. PC-BSD will take away that part of it for you and most likely make your experience of FreeBSD a lot less headache free. It's default desktop is KDE 4 i believe. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 08:26:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A94106566B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:26:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller23@insightbb.com) Received: from mail.insightbb.com (smtp1.insight.synacor.com [208.47.185.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8928FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:26:46 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=RdJK+3M1i+XwzfW2MV68c28t6Ch3YKdlhdoD4NilP7w= c=1 sm=0 a=jLN7EqiLvroA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=v-jSY8FYUwO_ATZMCzwA:9 a=AcdsImxJPJ9Yo6Ye3TGm+Q==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com smtp.mail=mueller23@insightbb.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com header.from=mueller23@insightbb.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp02.insight.synacor.com: transitional domain insightbb.com does not designate 74.134.34.76 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.134.34.76] ([74.134.34.76:44030] helo=localhost) by mail.insightbb.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id EF/5D-07499-5CC31705; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 04:26:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 04:26:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: alwin doss Subject: Re: New User to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 08:26:47 -0000 > Let me be honest at the outset, I have never used an operating system other > than linux with enthusiasm. > But something about Linux always troubled me "It's licensing", "such > complex family of distributions which are so different from each other". > Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have > never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the > installation process is really hard, I must say. > I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. > Added to the above interests of mine, I am a C++ and java developer. I want > to use this talent that God's has blessed me with in this community. > I want to begin with FreeBSD's very own GUI. Not depending on anyone > (Gnome, KDE or....) I want it to be soooooo good that a commoner shoule be > able to work with it with ease and feel safe and secure. > So if someone could guide me about how to get started with contributing to > FreeBSD it would be great. Please do reach out to me for more details if > you need that is!!! > Send me links that will get me started with FreeBSD I am all excited for > this new journey to begin. > Alwin Doss > God's Beloved I don't think there is any such thing as "FreeBSD's very own GUI". FreeBSD's GUI is X Window System, but this is Unix's main GUI, which is also used by other (quasi-)Unixes including Linux. You can look through the FreeBSD Handbook online, even download it. You can find useful links from www.freebsd.org . Does anybody know about live USBs/CDs/DVDs for FreeBSD? Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 10:43:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B30106564A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8118FC1C for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id q97AhJnA001226 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 06:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id q97AhImS001212 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 06:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 06:43:18 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20121007104318.GA329@saltmine.radix.net> References: <99771.1349515504@tristatelogic.com> <20121006094552.GA39590@kontrol.kode5.net> <20121006113107.GA29404@saltmine.radix.net> <20121006113200.GB29404@saltmine.radix.net> <20121007080913.GB7105@kontrol.kode5.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121007080913.GB7105@kontrol.kode5.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Subject: Re: Xterm options for correct man page display? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:43:20 -0000 --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 09:09:13AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > [ Thomas Dickey wrote on Sat 6.Oct'12 at 7:32:00 -0400 ] >=20 > > On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 07:31:07AM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:45:52AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > > > > [ Ronald F. Guilmette wrote on Sat 6.Oct'12 at 2:25:04 -0700 ] > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > When I view man pages in a xterm window, some parts of them are c= oming > > > > > out a bit garbled. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I'm sure that there must be some recommended option or options for > > > > > xterm that will cause man pages to display properly. If someone = would > > > > > tell me what those options are, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > >=20 > > > > It will most likely be due to your locale settings. Also, I experim= ented with fonts in xterm and uxterm, only the default font allowed unicode= charaters to display, so I am now using urxvt and it works great. I also c= hanged my pager option in the shell start up file to less as opposed to mor= e, and set lesscharset environment variable, man pages display fine now for= me. > > >=20 > > > For people using UTF-8, the uxterm script works out of the box... > > >=20 > > > The usual problem with fonts is from overwriting the utf8Fonts resour= ce > > > setting via a too-wide "fonts" wildcard pattern. > >=20 > > For example > >=20 > > http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#utf8_fonts >=20 > Hi Thomas - is understand what your saying about uxterm - it does display > utf8 fonts correctly when leaving the font resource alone, but the default > font is very small, too small for my eyes.=20 >=20 > I installed a large number of utf8 supported X fonts, the ones I've tried > don't display Chinese or Korean, or Russian fonts etc. It became a little > frustrating which made me change to another terminal. The link you provi= ded > doesn't appear to be active. Would you be kind enough to show the resour= ce > settings you have used? Well - the default size is a compromise (there are people who apparently use the smallest size regularly - looking at urxvt out-of-the-box, it's true there)(*). I generally use the font-size switching feature which I adapted from rxvt (one of the features which was omitted in urxvt), and switch to one of the two largest sizes using shift-keypad-plus. There are differences in the default fonts' coverage for CJK fonts, but between those two sizes I can see almost all characters. =20 > I spent a long time reading through the man page and trying out different > resource settings and combinations of them, European fonts were never a > problem, just the east Asian characters and Russian characters as I > mentioned. I haven't noticed a problem (with uxterm) for Russian characters - more info might help. =20 > I've set my locale to en_GB.UTF-8 using /etc/login.conf and then cap_mkdb > /etc/login.conf. As I said in my previous email, urxvt has no problem > displaying these characters but I'd like to get uxterm working properly n= one > the less, as I'm sure the OP does as well. (*) the default size when switching to TrueType fonts is roughly what I use normally for the bitmap fonts (much larger than the default), and I should have made it consistent. It's configurable, and I later added a note in the manpage explaining how to do this... The default font for xterm has "always" been the "fixed" font, which as noted above I find too small for normal use. --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFQcVzEtIqByHxlDocRAp6qAJ9/GnSEH28OJueA2PI91S3ClCLJQACfRc3F I3jGn6ZoX1eHuonF7kdQp1Q= =H9Fp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 11:44:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD72106564A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 11:44:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3D48FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 11:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-33.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.33]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3843CD49; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q97Bb70q001985; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:37:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:37:07 +0200 From: Polytropon To: jb Message-Id: <20121007133707.4f7fb7c9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compile/install Libreoffice Writer only X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:44:42 -0000 On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 05:11:50 +0000 (UTC), jb wrote: > Hi, > is there a way to do that right now in ports (config, make options) ? > Or would that require separate source packaging per component ? I'm not aware that this is possible, as LibreOffice (like OpenOffice) is designed as an "integrated package" containing various interconnected parts of office productivity programs. So I assume it's not easy to build _only_ one component. In case you are intending to "just" install a text processing program, try AbiWord. It is the TP designed to be used with Gnome, but builds independently (even though it requires lots of Gtk dependencies). If installed, you will "only" have the text processing program -- no spreadsheet, no database, no presentation graphics. It's a quite versatile program and can even read outdated MICROS~1 memory garbage formats. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 11:50:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47327106566C for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 11:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31208FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 11:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-33.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.33]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2A43CD98; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:50:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q97BoqRM002007; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:50:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:50:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: alwin doss Message-Id: <20121007135052.c9e9069e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New User to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:50:54 -0000 On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:47:26 +0530, alwin doss wrote: > But something about Linux always troubled me "It's licensing", "such > complex family of distributions which are so different from each other". A valid point. With UNIX basic knowledge, you can master nearly any "outdated" commercial UNIX, BSD and Linux, even though it is sometimes complicated to find the "simple parts" (i. e. the UNIX parts) in Linux. :-) > Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have > never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the > installation process is really hard, I must say. I cannot conform that. Do you have a second system that you can use to refer to the documentation that exactly describes, with text and pictures, how to perform the installation process? Note that FreeBSD, in opposite to many other systems, comes with excellent documentation both for Internet and offline use. Check out The FreeBSD Handbook's installation section: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall.html and the FAQ regarding this topic: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/install.html You'll see that the installation is quite simple: You just have to follow the instructions shown on the screen. > I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. It's a bit complicated to get _all_ features running on _all_ kinds of laptops has hardware manufacturers do not care much about standards and specifications. Still I hear from many people successfully running FreeBSD on their super-duper-new laptops, and I run it on my old and shady laptops. :-) > Added to the above interests of mine, I am a C++ and java developer. I want > to use this talent that God's has blessed me with in this community. Both languages can be used on FreeBSD. C++ is supported out of the box. Java requires you to install additional software due to licensing terms and lawyer blahblah. > I want to begin with FreeBSD's very own GUI. FreeBSD does not have a "very own GUI". In fact, it has many GUIs, and it doesn't have a GUI per se. Note that it is a multi-purpose system, that's why it doesn't come with a graphical installer so you can install it on a server (that doesn't even have a monitor). After installation, you can add as many GUIs as you like (for example, you can have both KDE and Gnome on your system, plus olvwm and even WindowMaker). The choice is _yours_. There is nothing directly tied to the system. However, PC-BSD comes with a preinstalled and preconfigured (!) KDE environment. VirtualBSD comes with Xfce, if I remember correctly. You can check out those projects: PC-BSD is said to be easier to adopt by Linux and even "Windows" users as it comes with a graphical installer, preconfigured environments, preinstalled software, and caters the "out of the box" community a lot. And VirtualBSD can be used from within a VM, it's a nice "try it out" system. http://www.pcbsd.org/ http://www.virtualbsd.info/ You can find screenshots there too. :-) > Not depending on anyone > (Gnome, KDE or....) I want it to be soooooo good that a commoner shoule be > able to work with it with ease and feel safe and secure. That's one of the primary advantages of FreeBSD: The system will not do anything until _YOU_ tell it to. Know what you do. Know where to find information (Handbook, FAQ, "man" command, mailing lists). > So if someone could guide me about how to get started with contributing to > FreeBSD it would be great. Find something that you consider interesting and worth contributing to. Refer to this page for more information: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html > Send me links that will get me started with FreeBSD I am all excited for > this new journey to begin. If you enounter problems during installation, feel free to contact the list. Describe your problem as exact as possible, use the available troubleshooting resources first, like, "do your homework". :-) http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo http://www.freebsd.org/support.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 12:12:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5CC1065742 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6478A8FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TKpil-0004EQ-2d for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:12:35 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:12:35 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:12:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <20121007133707.4f7fb7c9.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/15.0.1) Subject: Re: compile/install Libreoffice Writer only X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 12:12:38 -0000 Polytropon edvax.de> writes: > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 05:11:50 +0000 (UTC), jb wrote: > > Hi, > > is there a way to do that right now in ports (config, make options) ? > > Or would that require separate source packaging per component ? > > I'm not aware that this is possible, as LibreOffice (like > OpenOffice) is designed as an "integrated package" containing > various interconnected parts of office productivity programs. > So I assume it's not easy to build _only_ one component. > ... It is possible - those Linux lollipops offer such in some distros, prepackaged. I hope that FB's office team finds time to figure it out. It would benefit FB-based OSs to reasonably customize their CDs. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 14:34:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECE0106566C for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 14:34:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CB48FC1B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 14:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q97EYcR6004749; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:34:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q97EYcD7004746; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:34:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:34:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Bernt Hansson In-Reply-To: <5070FBBF.70504@bananmonarki.se> Message-ID: References: <5070FBBF.70504@bananmonarki.se> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 07 Oct 2012 08:34:38 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtualbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:34:48 -0000 On Sun, 7 Oct 2012, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Hello list! > > When I try to start a virtual os in virtualbox i get an error. > > kldload vboxdrv.ko > kldload: can't load vboxdrv.ko: Exec format error > > Rebuilt VB and still this error > > 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Thu Jan 12 15:13:06 CET 2012 > GENERIC amd64 Rebuild virtualbox-kmod. Technically, that should be done every time system source has been updated and rebuilt. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 15:01:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8429106566C for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F5F8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-33.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.33]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811FB27CA8; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 17:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q97F1FAf004896; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 17:01:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 17:01:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: jb Message-Id: <20121007170115.542925aa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20121007133707.4f7fb7c9.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compile/install Libreoffice Writer only X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:01:22 -0000 On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:12:17 +0000 (UTC), jb wrote: > Polytropon edvax.de> writes: > > > > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 05:11:50 +0000 (UTC), jb wrote: > > > Hi, > > > is there a way to do that right now in ports (config, make options) ? > > > Or would that require separate source packaging per component ? > > > > I'm not aware that this is possible, as LibreOffice (like > > OpenOffice) is designed as an "integrated package" containing > > various interconnected parts of office productivity programs. > > So I assume it's not easy to build _only_ one component. > > ... > > It is possible - those Linux lollipops offer such in some distros, prepackaged. Interesting, I didn't think that was possible. Does this come with a _separated_ build for all the components that have such a corresponding package, or is it simply not containing the binaries for the "other" components? For example, you could build a whole OO or LO suite and just have one selected binary installed, but that wouldn't be very precise regarding the question "Writer only"... If it would be possible to have the components as separate ports in FreeBSD it would be helpful for selectively installing stuff, e. g. if only one or two components of the office suite are really needed (or allowed!) to be _built_ and installed. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 15:44:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC5A106564A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:44:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235588FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TKt1t-0004eS-LD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:44:33 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:44:33 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:44:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <20121007133707.4f7fb7c9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121007170115.542925aa.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/15.0.1) Subject: Re: compile/install Libreoffice Writer only X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:44:30 -0000 Polytropon edvax.de> writes: > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:12:17 +0000 (UTC), jb wrote: > > Polytropon edvax.de> writes: > > > > > > > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 05:11:50 +0000 (UTC), jb wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > is there a way to do that right now in ports (config, make options) ? > > > > Or would that require separate source packaging per component ? > > > > > > I'm not aware that this is possible, as LibreOffice (like > > > OpenOffice) is designed as an "integrated package" containing > > > various interconnected parts of office productivity programs. > > > So I assume it's not easy to build _only_ one component. > > > ... > > > > It is possible - those Linux lollipops offer such in some distros, > > prepackaged. > > Interesting, I didn't think that was possible. Does this come > with a _separated_ build for all the components that have such > a corresponding package, or is it simply not containing the > binaries for the "other" components? > ... For example, in Archlinux these are separate builds/packages: libreoffice-common libreoffice-base libreoffice-calc libreoffice-draw libreoffice-impress libreoffice-writer libreoffice-sdk libreoffice-sdk-doc libreoffice-extension-nlpsolver libreoffice-extension-pdfimport libreoffice-extension-presentation-minimizer libreoffice-extension-presenter-screen libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-kde4 libreoffice-math libreoffice-postgresql-connector libreoffice-scripting-javascript ... So, there is a lot of functionality thru modularity. For example, in CentOS (clone of RedHat) I can install libreoffice-writer only, which pulls libreoffice-common, and perhaps some extension packages (if so configured). jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 18:55:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912451065670 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 18:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stefa.rossi96@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2BD8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 18:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x43so2718281wey.13 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:55:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=9X9gVcbpwkm+sBIdWX/57Eg2JpAztlRoY7CPVlDc5nI=; b=JEPlRQJbsPrh0Nell0c3JToOV8qWEyC0R2Fp7r2mY8nnbHUdmU0carLNAi5xpxjeak AvgVz2x4pLvWPQBikEHFs2m3mnHR7omI99lbXaWAxv26Ev4zO/UKQ9rlIiZfZn+EPF9A fcXjLqgfaPS4L8Di9KbBWrAVOxf+4QgbfbqqHQ78t0zpHMULagSXPomYtyLBVs1XkZqt 7GY2WMP1ZvBXGa5aI/VKBouX0G8YDZgJt+uqlsbV55xpYFKo4iMo0u0UgiOI9rv1LVaU YpekkQJFQdPGD6c+7Fo1koxBMbZeHSgfqAfNEIryuMOd+PmZ1Z0xZisoNps8nsR5kQ0n 7+ZQ== Received: by 10.180.79.103 with SMTP id i7mr16251758wix.13.1349636123783; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.37] (dynamic-adsl-78-12-73-181.clienti.tiscali.it. [78.12.73.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ct3sm15368768wib.5.2012.10.07.11.55.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:55:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Stefano Rossi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 20:55:20 +0200 Message-Id: <5DF28740-BBF5-47EE-827B-DD712ABD0F62@gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Subject: dd zero on the wrong disk. ZFS over GELI on that disk, recover possible? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:55:25 -0000 Hello, I made a tremendous mistake with a "dd of=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/ada1" = command. ada1 was the wrong disk. The command was interrupted after a few seconds (I only wanted to erase = the partition table), and a "gpart create -s gpt ada1" was given before = I realized my mistake. On ada1 there was a single partition, type freebsd, which was labelled = HD4. /dev/label/HD4 was geli encrypted with a keyfile (I still have the = keyfile), and /dev/label/HD4.eli was a zpool (named HD4 too). Is there any way I could save at least some of the data on that zpool? I = know geli makes backup of the metadata, I must have them somewhere on my = root partition. Is there any way to recover the few lost megabytes at the start of the = disk? Or, would it be possible to recreate the same partition table with the = single partition, relabel it and restore the geli backup to the labelled = partition? Would then zfs recognize it? Please, if you have any idea share it with me, the data on that disk is = vital. Thank you very much. Stefano Rossi= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 21:09:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D21106566B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 21:09:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C078FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 21:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCAF5081F for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 14:09:44 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:09:44 -0700 Message-ID: <14763.1349644184@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Building Ports: Is there a "make" equivalent for --batch ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 21:09:46 -0000 I am impatient by nature. Nowadays, whenever I use portinstall/portupgrade, I use the --batch option, so that I don't have to sit around at the console, waiting for and then accepting the default build options for a boatload of depended-upon ports for whatever I am actually trying to install or upgrade. However there's one instance where I don't know how to get this functionality, i.e. the functionality provided by the --batch option. On this page: http://cnsnap.cn.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/ports-using.html in Section 4.5.4.2, a user who is just installing a new system is instructed to do the following: # cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade # make install clean (You have to do this in order to get portinstall/portupgrade installed. These tools can then be used to build & install other ports.) The problem is that these days, portupgrade itself is, apparently, dependent upon a whole slew of other ports. So while building portupgrade itself it appears that there is currently no escape from having to sit at the console and accept a whole bunch of default options for the whole bunch of other ports upon which portupgrade itself depends. Or is there? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 21:40:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A529D106564A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 21:40:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E3E8FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 21:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-33.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.33]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0ADE3CCD5; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:40:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q97LehWe006261; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:40:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:40:43 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Message-Id: <20121007234043.cadf5863.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <14763.1349644184@tristatelogic.com> References: <14763.1349644184@tristatelogic.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building Ports: Is there a "make" equivalent for --batch ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 21:40:47 -0000 On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:09:44 -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Nowadays, whenever I use portinstall/portupgrade, I use the --batch > option, so that I don't have to sit around at the console, waiting > for and then accepting the default build options for a boatload of > depended-upon ports for whatever I am actually trying to install or > upgrade. A workaround (and not directly the answer to your question) is to process the config dialogs before starting the build: # make config-recursive Once set, the options won't be requested on a second run. According to "man 7 ports", there's a BATCH setting, but it is descibed as: If defined, only operate on a port if it can be installed 100% automatically. If the default settings are okay for you, simply "entering through" the dialogs should work fine. I don't see any other significant reference in the manpage, so using portinstall --batch (or portmaster's equivalent if you're using that tool) should be the best solution. > The problem is that these days, portupgrade itself is, apparently, > dependent upon a whole slew of other ports. Usually portmaster is considered an alternative, and instructions on how to use it to solve port changes are provided when an entry to /usr/ports/UPDATING is added. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 22:03:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD40106566B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6D88FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TKywM-0005Pk-E6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:03:14 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:03:14 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:03:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <14763.1349644184@tristatelogic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/15.0.1) Subject: Re: Building Ports: Is there a "make" equivalent for --batch ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:03:10 -0000 Ronald F. Guilmette tristatelogic.com> writes: > ... > However there's one instance where I don't know how to get this > functionality, i.e. the functionality provided by the --batch option. > ... There is no guarantee that either of those will work (try them separately): $ cat /etc/make.conf BATCH=yes # env BATCH=yes make jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 22:37:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03814106566B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35138FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TKzTa-00005c-P9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:37:34 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:37:34 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:37:34 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <20121007133707.4f7fb7c9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121007170115.542925aa.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Subject: Re: compile/install Libreoffice Writer only X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:37:32 -0000 On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:44:15 +0000, jb wrote: > Polytropon edvax.de> writes: > > >> On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:12:17 +0000 (UTC), jb wrote: >> > Polytropon edvax.de> writes: >> > >> > >> > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 05:11:50 +0000 (UTC), jb wrote: >> > > > Hi, >> > > > is there a way to do that right now in ports (config, make >> > > > options) ? >> > > > Or would that require separate source packaging per component ? >> > > >> > > I'm not aware that this is possible, as LibreOffice (like >> > > OpenOffice) is designed as an "integrated package" containing >> > > various interconnected parts of office productivity programs. >> > > So I assume it's not easy to build _only_ one component. >> > > ... >> > >> > It is possible - those Linux lollipops offer such in some distros, >> > prepackaged. >> >> Interesting, I didn't think that was possible. Does this come with a >> _separated_ build for all the components that have such a corresponding >> package, or is it simply not containing the binaries for the "other" >> components? >> ... > > For example, in Archlinux these are separate builds/packages: > > libreoffice-common > > libreoffice-base libreoffice-calc libreoffice-draw libreoffice-impress > libreoffice-writer > > libreoffice-sdk libreoffice-sdk-doc > > libreoffice-extension-nlpsolver libreoffice-extension-pdfimport > libreoffice-extension-presentation-minimizer > libreoffice-extension-presenter-screen libreoffice-gnome > libreoffice-kde4 libreoffice-math libreoffice-postgresql-connector > libreoffice-scripting-javascript ... > > So, there is a lot of functionality thru modularity. > > For example, in CentOS (clone of RedHat) I can install > libreoffice-writer only, which pulls libreoffice-common, and perhaps > some extension packages (if so configured). Yes, but libreoffice-common is essentially the whole thing; libreoffice- base, libreoffice-calc, libreoffice-draw, libreoffice-impress and libreoffice-writer are (relatively) small front ends. To all intents and purposes, Polytropon is right. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 22:57:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20CF106564A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9105B8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AB250840 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:57:05 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20121007234043.cadf5863.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:57:05 -0700 Message-ID: <15439.1349650625@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Building Ports: Is there a "make" equivalent for --batch ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:57:06 -0000 In message <20121007234043.cadf5863.freebsd@edvax.de>, Polytropon wrote: >A workaround (and not directly the answer to your question) is >to process the config dialogs before starting the build: > > # make config-recursive > >Once set, the options won't be requested on a second run. Hey! Wow! Thanks! That will work for me. Needless to say, I didn't know about that Makefile target, until now. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 23:11:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A7A1065672 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C738FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TL00R-0004Z7-Ue for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 01:11:32 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 01:11:31 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 01:11:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <20121007133707.4f7fb7c9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121007170115.542925aa.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/15.0.1) Subject: Re: compile/install Libreoffice Writer only X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:11:29 -0000 Walter Hurry gmail.com> writes: > ... > Yes, but libreoffice-common is essentially the whole thing; libreoffice- > base, libreoffice-calc, libreoffice-draw, libreoffice-impress and > libreoffice-writer are (relatively) small front ends. > > To all intents and purposes, Polytropon is right. > ... Installed Size: libreoffice-common 224.7 MB libreoffice-base 7.2 MB libreoffice-calc 17.9 MB libreoffice-draw 48.0 KB libreoffice-impress 732.0 KB libreoffice-writer 11.2 MB libreoffice-sdk 26.2 MB libreoffice-sdk-doc 104.8 MB and not counting many other extensions. It may be relevant saving perhaps 100 MB when you compose CD functionality, and you want to offer Libreoffice Writer on it. Besides that, there is always a chance that one can look into the splits more deeply and discover that it can be done differently (better ?) and make libreoffice-common leaner, and offer some more stuff as separate packages or extensions packages. Who knows what FB office boyz could do with it if they really wanted. Anyway, the objective would be to be able to install each of components individually, as needed. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 23:15:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBFE1065670 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-227-057.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.227.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3408FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from i7-quad-PC.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-142.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.142]) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q97NAXit084406; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 18:10:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20121007180748.05e44030@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:10:27 -0500 To: Bernt Hansson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <5070FBBF.70504@bananmonarki.se> References: <5070FBBF.70504@bananmonarki.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121007-2, 10/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: q97NAXit084406 X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-yoursite-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Virtualbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:15:36 -0000 At 10:49 PM 10/6/2012, Bernt Hansson wrote: >Hello list! > >When I try to start a virtual os in virtualbox i get an error. > >kldload vboxdrv.ko >kldload: can't load vboxdrv.ko: Exec format error > >Rebuilt VB and still this error > >8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Thu Jan 12 15:13:06 CET 2012 >GENERIC amd64 Check /boot/loader.conf or use kldload to load the module manually. kldstat will list the loaded modules. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 23:24:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0973106564A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7F18FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-33.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.33]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB23C27690; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 01:24:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q97NOE0E006920; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 01:24:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 01:24:14 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Message-Id: <20121008012414.34fd6a65.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <15439.1349650625@tristatelogic.com> References: <20121007234043.cadf5863.freebsd@edvax.de> <15439.1349650625@tristatelogic.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building Ports: Is there a "make" equivalent for --batch ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:24:18 -0000 On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:57:05 -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message <20121007234043.cadf5863.freebsd@edvax.de>, > Polytropon wrote: > > >A workaround (and not directly the answer to your question) is > >to process the config dialogs before starting the build: > > > > # make config-recursive > > > >Once set, the options won't be requested on a second run. > > Hey! Wow! Thanks! That will work for me. > > Needless to say, I didn't know about that Makefile target, until now. This target (and several other useful ones) are listed and explained in the manpage: "man 7 ports". :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 8 00:01:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0648106564A for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 00:01:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDE88FC08 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 00:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88CC50840 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 17:01:39 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20121008012414.34fd6a65.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:01:39 -0700 Message-ID: <15743.1349654499@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Building Ports: Is there a "make" equivalent for --batch ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:01:41 -0000 In message <20121008012414.34fd6a65.freebsd@edvax.de>, Polytropon wrote: ... >> > # make config-recursive ... >This target (and several other useful ones) are listed >and explained in the manpage: "man 7 ports". :-) Hey! Thanks again. I didn't know about that man page either! P.S. I'm actually doing an upgrade on the OS today (on one of my machines) also. I find that I have to re-read all the instructions for doing that each time, because I do it so infrequently that I forget the steps. The good news is that in the FreeBSD OS upgrade instructions, I found this: ... Note that setting the BATCH environment variable to yes will answer yes to any prompts during this process, removing the need for manual intervention during the build process. (This was said with respect to upgrading ports via portupgrade.) So I guess that answers my original question! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 8 00:52:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CC01065670 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 00:52:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jguojun@sbcglobal.net) Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B5C88FC08 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 00:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [72.30.22.77] by nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2012 00:51:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.82] by tm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2012 00:51:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2012 00:51:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 759447.80732.bm@omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 85351 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2012 00:51:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1349657515; bh=lg2Z6+hKmig3ZBIJAdEV+AojQkpO3SMwvLaG5d0J5GQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G9FqXBdAfl/EE8c8/gVdxWaaDvBC0XfrW3igx6OcTech/Tq3+t0UQXiKpSdbfF8nzO93ZQ86Rjn+nGy1FOGDL9i+kr1/IHSR1yaqB2tDm1A5Mcn0JIGIwHptFnfNVVRQLsGXpEusamp4Z/gHMOKza1q1gFVCE2j6gMAbsq0Rd/A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lmsWH+39qI0KOXkiPndfRylVfVCRM4VOX8HKqCYOQJBPAOB0LPqluItETVEaELEo/Ujb8eOZwAm5pd7pWrriqzbHw1wyzBFurqRDEzpgyc04TevRdNXAV26zzInSt5hd0/DJjpL3uvUF8LPm3JDvTS264jAqjltGZBpR0iPSPQM=; X-YMail-OSG: CAn9Sq4VM1m5_bqELyphdFbge.Il2EgwSLukwlD4bzNS34i ZaGLO8s1IV1gIVT4J8eDVzrN1uO3QrAKKXnvfZyqzuO0OIAvVpJPf3Jy6EFE Vn6j0naunETdUJFlWxX4xzCLvfGpCMuZj6iF1w4Fo9JPLSVTPDF4d5AFwzmc 8P0qGDNU7l3Lpf8a.CAlVc.fjq7N4yt9rvx2AY0hPg5nZEZ4reLg0irI6DI0 z4Q0L14mDIlWFrwQsv.LvqPUkqblFA2CWbN.P_n2.Dprz1RdpsnzifxnBj1G uZORFcb4Vb3yzKzF_O6U2EpiXo89N36IuPryH0UxG5qZQzyzb8ruYQ5a34g_ gx_zU8KL6VRvLeXq9gli_y.3roYSRTMhq15jzCMwmnJQhGXPSY06HrogY8rF kSwRr_r7lJZGNTu9GhXu1pXNVq6YvwGZY.zYiMT5mGncsOHaGM1u5WOuWdUu LvM4vnILG_xhBHZIyjOJaUJeeDQ9z.ODa4b259ytzya4Jy6j5hKxFzkKzSJ4 qjbg. Received: from [75.37.1.111] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:51:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.122.442 References: <1348983864.42502.YahooMailRC@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120930081202.ea0b1af7.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <1349657515.80370.YahooMailRC@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 17:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jin Guojun To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20120930081202.ea0b1af7.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-841283783-1789655809-1349657515=:80370" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8.3-R cannot mount non-BSD burned DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:52:02 -0000 ---841283783-1789655809-1349657515=:80370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here are two DVDs burned by MS Windows. DVD1 is Visual Studio 2008 distributed by MS in UDF FS. mount_udf cannot mount it and mount_cd9660 can mount it but see only a readme.txt. % cdcontrol info Starting track = 1, ending track = 1, TOC size = 18 bytes track start duration block length type ------------------------------------------------- 1 0:02.00 246:31.67 0 1109392 data 170 246:33.67 - 1109392 - - % file - < /dev/acd0 /dev/stdin: UDF filesystem data (version 1.5) 'DVD1 DVD2 is burned under Windows XP by DVD utility in UFD FS. Although BSD file command does not recognize it, mount_udf can mount it correctly. It sounds like that we have issues in handling UDF FS. Attached are first two-page hexdump on both DVDs to help analyzing the problem. % cdcontrol info Starting track = 1, ending track = 1, TOC size = 18 bytes track start duration block length type ------------------------------------------------- 1 0:02.00 0:18.26 0 1376 data 170 0:20.26 - 1376 - - % file - < /dev/acd0 /dev/stdin: data % ll /cdrom/4710/ total 3259 dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2048 May 23 17:52 ./ dr-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 2048 May 23 17:52 ../ -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 956262 May 23 17:36 ..-0003.amr -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 24576 May 23 17:45 ....-3.doc -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 688384 May 23 17:39 RealPlayer_cn.exe ________________________________ From: Polytropon To: Jin Guojun Cc: questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, September 29, 2012 11:12:05 PM Subject: Re: 8.3-R cannot mount non-BSD burned DVD On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:44:24 -0700 (PDT), Jin Guojun wrote: > This problem seems having been there for a while, but was not pay > attention to it till now. > > Most DVDs burned under Windows machine cannot be mounted on FreeBSD > 8.3-R. It gives following error: > > # mount /cdrom > mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0: Invalid argument > > Some of those DVD can be mount, but no content can be found: > % df /cdrom > Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/acd0 4687968 4687968 0 100% /cdrom > % ll /cdrom > total 4 > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 112 Jul 13 2009 ./ > drwxr-xr-x 24 root wheel 512 Sep 25 23:11 ../ > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 135 Jul 13 2009 readme.txt* > > Searched bug report, but did not find related report. > Does anyone have seen this problem? If so, is any working around for > this problem? Cannot confirm that here, reading a various amount of data and media DVDs. Some of them are in ISO-9660 format, some of them are UDF. The reader is a cheap LiteOn drive, and OS version is 8.2-STABLE of last year. You can check a DVD's content by some tests before attempting to mount it. First check if they contain a data session, in this example it's a movie DVD from Russia: % cdcontrol info Starting track = 1, ending track = 1, TOC size = 18 bytes track start duration block length type ------------------------------------------------- 1 0:02.00 222:10.26 0 999776 data 170 222:12.26 - 999776 - - Okay, one data track. Check _what_ data it is: % file - < /dev/acd0 /dev/stdin: UDF filesystem data (version 1.5) 'NU POGODI' This media can be mounted like any data DVD, even if we assume a CD-9660 file system (commonly found on data CDs): # mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0 /media/dvd # df -h /media/dvd Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/acd0 4.1G 4.1G 0B 100% /media/dvd # umount /media/dvd You could do some similar tests to see where you experience problems. It's quite possible that the DVDs made in "Windows" have some problems, e. g. not being closed, or having some strange data format that doesn't conform to the standard. Check if they contain a CD-9660 or a UDF file system, and which version it is. Note that FreeBSD also has a mount_udf command which could be working for those? When the CD-9660 file system is used, there are several extensions that help to deal with restrictions in the original specification (like file name length or depth of directory hierarchy). The standard is the RockRidge extension as used in many operating systems (or, to be correct, by many pre- mastering and burning tools), but "Windows" uses the "Joliet" extension. However, FreeBSD can understand both - _if_ they are properly done. 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